53 Comments on “Coaster Wars II: Magic Mountain vs. Cedar Point”

1. Skipper Brodie Says:
   April 2nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm

   Cedar Point has successfully built the most roller coasters in a single park, but the cost is variety. I visited the park last year for the first time in a while and though the coasters are still great, there’s very little else left in the park to enjoy. Pirate ride? Gone. Slide? Gone. Flume ride? Gone.

   I enjoy coasters, but I want more than that from a day in an amusement park.

   One of the few non-roller coasters and non-baby rides left is a Jungle Cruise knockoff called Paddlewheel excursions. It’s starts off well with jokes about the Hillbilly camps you float past, and then… they start talking about the coasters, bragging about the stats and awards the coasters have won. Ugh! Even when you’re not on a coaster, it’s STILL all about the coasters!

2. Pat McCabe Says:
   April 3rd, 2008 at 5:41 am

   Cedar Point has plenty to do that are not roller coasters, and much more non-coaster attractions then Magic Mountain.

   Magic Mountain recentely removed:
   Freefall
   Bayern Curve
   Antique Cars
   Tilt A Whirl
   Rotor

   Leaving them with a collection of non-coaster rides that would be deemed ‘pathetic’ in comparison to other major amusement park.

   While Cedar Point has a train, a skyride, Skyhawk, Max-Air, a nightime firework and laser show, a ice skating show, 3 kids rides areas, 2 different drop tower rides and tons of ’spinning’ rides.

   Sure at Cedar Point coasters are the focus, but there is plenty of non-coaster things to do there and many more non-coaster things then SFMM.

3. Michael Hunter Says:
   April 3rd, 2008 at 7:34 am

   Call me blind, but…where’s the news story here? I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the two parks don’t compete, at all. Both will always claim to be the coaster capital of the world, and both are right; for their respective market. How much does the global, or even national crowd matter to either park? Let me give you a hint, there’s a reason I don’t see any Magic Mountain ads in my area of Indiana, and the only reason people in Cali may see a Cedar Point commercial, is because Cedar Point is actually a resort, so there is a small responsibility to reach out to a broader market. Still though, they don’t directly compete for guests, in all reality.

4. Eric Says:
   April 3rd, 2008 at 8:09 am

   Cedar Point is still one of the parks with the most total rides. They are lacking in a few areas (a good dark ride), and are little too much divided into kiddie vs. adults, but there is still a lot of variety.

5. Brian Says:
   April 3rd, 2008 at 11:47 am

   Apparently part of the ‘thrill quality’ is the thrill of wondering what coaster(s) at Magic Mountain (or any Six Flags park) won’t be open during your trip. Cedar Point puts SFMM to shame when it comes to up time, not to mention SFMM never had more coasters then Cedar Point and thus never could claim to be the capital of anything… 17 coasters at SFMM is not more then 17 coasters at CP. Basic addition must not be a required skill at the Magic Mountain PR department.

6. coaster1robert Says:
   April 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm

   If you want to be correct Cedar Point is an Amusement Park and Magic Mountain is Theme Park,they both in two different Calcification. So there both right in claiming their the best Park in the world. Until one day dubai will beat both of them because they trillions of dollars to play with ,cedar point and Magic Mountain does not. Robert

7. Skipper Brodie Says:
   April 4th, 2008 at 7:30 am

   Pat, I should’ve clarified: my comment wasn’t really about CP vs. MM, I’ve never been to Magic Mountain and know almost nothing about it. It was more about Cedar Point today vs. the Cedar Point of 10 - 20 years ago. There used to be a wide variety of things to do there, including themed dark rides. I loved the Pirate ride as a kid (an ancient dark ride imported into CP that actually pre-dated Pirates of the Caribbean) and the Pirate ship you could play on outside.

   So, a few examples (mostly of other kinds of big thrill rides or state fair quality kiddie rides) aside, my main point remains: in perusing their goal of being the coaster capital of the world, Cedar Point is a lot less fun for me than it used to be, and that’s from someone who loves coasters.

8. Chad Says:
   April 7th, 2008 at 10:48 am

   I have been to Cedar Point every year since I was an infant. I love Roller Coasters. But I agree that they need some more variety. I too miss some of the old attractions. Pirate Ride was fun with the ship outside the ride, and the cannon’s firing into the water below. Earth Quake was another indoor, “dark ride” that was also entertaining, but now gone. Along with a great fun house featuring the upside down house, gone.

9. Greg Says:
   April 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am

   “Cedar Point is an amusement park, Magic Mountain is a theme park”

   Wait, what’s the theme? Most Closed Rides Land?

   Cedar Point and Tragic Mountain are not in direct competition, serving completely different markets. Sadly, they’re also not in the same league when it comes to quality and variety.

   Having been to both, I can safely say that Magic Mountain’s rides are NOT more thrilling than Cedar Point’s, at least for my tastes (take Superman for instance — what a snoozefest).

10. Ted Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Interesting. So Cedar Fair ruined their own park not just Knott’s Berry Farm.
    Everything you describe happening to Cedar Fair has happened to Knott’s.
    Remove the charm and stick in a bunch of coasters.

11. Nonya Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Oh joy this tired debate going on again, and all the Ohio fanboys that have never been west coming in to bash a west coast park they have never been to and just talk about what they’ve heard…. But anyway, my biggest beef with this debate, first and foremost it’s a joke that the parks actually count the kiddie coasters. I don’t…

    I have been to both. Cedar Point’s coasters are just tall and lack the thrill and intensity of Magic Mountains coasters. Height and speed doesn’t equal intensity, so I agree with Jay’s comment. Where’s the Beef? In other words, Cedar Point fails in the LOOPING factor.When I went they had like 3 coasters that go upside down. Sad really.
    So you got Raptor, Mantis, and I think it was called Corkscrew. I hear from a friend they finally got another looper now though called Maverick which upon researching I learned that it had it’s signature intense inversion removed during construction. Good move CP remove what was supposed to be the best part of the ride (rolls eyes).
    On Magic’s side they got
    Tatsu, X2, DeJaVu, Viper (fixed up and looking pretty I might add), Revolution, Scream, Batman, Riddler (pure bliss still to this day). So the clear winner here in intensity is Magic for me.

    It’s all on taste. If you like the more height and speed you’re better off at Cedar (I’m not listing that category of coasters), if you want slightly shorter and slightly slower but far more intense insane rides that actually have substance go to Magic.

    On an minor note, I exclude their impulse “Something Twister” I don’t remember the name. One reason, IMPULSES SUCK!!!!. All of them. All parks need to stop building impulses. They are terrible expensive rides that waste valuable space for possible good rides. Though problemental see DeJaVu for an intense ride that runs forward then backward on a non continuous course.

    Also I applaud Magic for the removal of Psyclone. Terrible rough wood coaster. If Cedar Point was smart they should learn from Magic and tear down their own terrible rough wood coaster Mean Streak.

    As for the other non-coaster things in the parks, neither of which are really that different. Magic Mountain has theming? Ah ok, Can’t seem to think where? And Cedar Point of course has none. The parks are the exact same. Both had horrible long outdated carnival rides so who cares about those. So what if Cedar had a larger number of said old overused and overdone carnival rides. Greater number of said “crap” doesn’t make the park any better better. I could go to a fair and ride better carnival rides than both parks combined. Magic may get some good new ones I hear however. I like the Riptide at Knotts, they should get one of those. And the company policies are also the same. Both rip out the nostalgia when they take over a park. Cedar destroyed what little of Knotts was left with the building of Silver Bullet (though it was fun). I don’t care for Knotts that much anymore and only go every 3 years or so. And Six Flags is guilty of this as well with some of the parks that they have neutered.

    On a final word, we all have our preferences, but for me with coasters, I’ll take the intensity over the height and speed. (it’s not like these more intense coasters are slow, they are just slow-ER.)I just went to Magic and As for Tatsu, if you haven’t ridden it yet get out west and do so, no park will ever build a better flyer, it’s terrain has assured that. It will be impossible to top it. (Unless a park has a larger hill in the middle of their park.)

    And I live in Colorado so, I’m not a fanboy of Magic if I sound like one.

12. Andy Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Cedar Point will always be the Coaster Capital of the World. No other park will take it over, I’m sure of that.

13. chris Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    OK. i’ve been to both parks, and I live in Canon City, CO. Let’s get that straight so that you can see that I’m not a fan boy of either CP or SFMM.

    I first went to Magic Mountain in 2005. I had no idea what to expect when i rode what was then “X”. Pure adrenaline. I rode all the best coasters there, for the most part. Goliath, Scream, X, Viper (at dusk, it doesn’t get any better), Riddler, Colossus, Ninja. All were amazing, especially my night ride on Goliath with the lift lit up all nice and bright green. My favorite was Ninja though, there was nothing like racing on top of the water. Plus, Magic Mountain was just so epic, I was in awe. This is what turned me on to coasters.

    In summer 2007, I finally got my long awaited chance to visit cedar point. I had heard so many great things about this place. First thing I hit was Raptor, right by the entrance (convinient!). I didn’t have to wait too long, it was a week day. Raptor flat out kicked …, as did Blue Streak. But after that it was mediocre, in my opinion. Millenium Force didn’t live up to the hype. The best part was going up the lift and seeing how far up over the beach we were. The drop was a little bit disapointing, but still great. The rest of the ride was boring though. I also hit Mean Streak, which was painful. As was Magnum, but the air time cancels it out. Gemini wasn’t anything great at all, and I remember liking Colossus (which is almost identical, except wooden) a lot better. Wicked Twister was the only other good spot, the air time flying up the backwards spike was cool. Dragster’s drop was the only thing that made the 30 min line worth waiting for. The launch felt slow (I sat in the very back). Maverick was painful with the harness going around the turns. Overall, CP is not bad at all. Compare it to Six Flags in Colorado out here, its amazing.

    Still, there wasn’t much to do after I got worn out from the coasters at CP. At SFMM, there were water rides and shows and stuff to do when I got a bit woozy. Even with the Sky Tower closed, it was still fun. IMO, even though CP has more coasters, SFMM offers better. MM has originality, like Revolution (first loop), and X (nothing like it). CP seems to take previous ideas and just make them taller. Like Top Thrill Draster (taken from Xcelerator at Knott’s) or Millenium Force (a lot like Superman at SFNE). Xcelerator from what I hear is better than TTD, as is Superman than MF.

    If I had to pick one, I’d lean towards Magic Mountain. Plus, MM is open year round.

14. Robert Cashour Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Nonya, I normally don’t get into these kind of arguments, but even though you claim not to be a Magic Mountain fanboy, something tells me that your judgement is extremely biased towards the park anyway. I like a good debate, and so I will take the Cedar Point side.

    First of all, most of CP’s coasters are not tall. Blue Streak, Maverick, Gemini, Cedar Creek Mine Ride, Corkscrew, Raptor, Disaster Transport, Wildcat, and Iron Dragon are relatively low to the ground. Mantis is tallest at 145 ft. of that group. I left out Jr. Gemini and Woodstock Express since you would claim those as kiddie coasters.

    Only five coasters are what would be considered tall: Mean Streak at 161 ft., Magnum XL-200 at 205 ft., Millennium Force at 310 ft., Wicked Twister at 215 ft., and Top Thrill Dragster at 420 ft. And, most of those have smaller drops than the highest heights listed.

    Now onto your next comment about Maverick. Yes, there was supposed to be what was called a heartline roll following the turnaround after the launch out of the tunnel.

    The head of Intamin (the rides designer) tested it and found it to be way too rough and pulled it before the ride opened. That’s called smart, because if people had ridden it and gotten beat up, there could’ve been lawsuits, or worse yet, they would’ve had to shutdown the coaster after they had opened it. The new inversion-less track piece was manufactured and the ride still opened on time.

    Believe me, the ride is plenty intense without it, and there are still two inversions.

    Then you go and make an asinine comment about the number of coasters at the Point that loop. Let’s see if we can count: Raptor, Mantis, Corkscrew, and Maverick. That’s it. Four coasters!

    Now look at the Mountain: Batman the Ride, Revolution, Tatsu, Viper, Deja Vu, Riddler’s Revenge, X2, and Scream. By my count that makes eight to four. Someone failed math class!

    Now onto my next point–How exactly does an Impulse take up too much land? They’re linear! And gee, you couldn’t take the two seconds to do the research to find out that it’s called Wicked Twister?

    And how would you know that it sucks if you’ve never been on it? Dual twisting spikes 205 ft. above the ground is really very exciting and very intense, especially in the last seat going backwards.

    Then you have the nerve to bring up Deja Vu, while defending it as problematic. I absolutely loved the ride when I rode it at Six Flags Great America near Chicago–but I feel sorry for many of my fellow enthusiasts who’ve never gotten the credit and probably never will, because both have been removed at Great America and Over Georgia. You got lucky that the Mountain’s stayed (for now).

    With Mark Shapiro at the helm, anything that is a maintenance nightmare or has considerable downtime is not safe from removal and is likely to become a Wiggle’s World or Thomas the Tank Engine Land.

    One area that I think we both agree on is that Mean Streak needs to go. It’s absolutely terrible. It’s 3:13 of a whole lot of nothing. The big difference between this and Psyclone is the cost would be mammoth to remove Mean Streak due to the difference in size. But don’t think they won’t do it someday after removing the rather large Hercules at Cedar Fair-owned Dorney Park in 2003.

    Okay, back to the debate. You say that Cedar Point has horribly outdated carnival rides. That would be completely incorrect. You won’t find MaxAir–a Huss Giant Frisbee at your local carnival, nor will you find Skyhawk–the world’s tallest S&S Screamin’ Swing.

    CP also has Power Tower, a combination set of two S&S Turbo Drops and two Space Shots, not to mention they still have their Intamin first generation drop ride called Demon Drop. Gee, didn’t the Mountain’s just get removed? CP still has their Chance Chaos (one of the last in the country) as well as a cavalcade of other flats to ride.

    A park without flats is just a coaster park, and lacks variety. You say you’ve heard Magic Mountain may get new flats. Yeah, we’ve heard that too about New Jersey’s Six Flag’s Great Adventure, but yet they keep on ripping them out year after year without replacing them with anything.

    Like you, I wouldn’t call myself a Cedar Point fanboy. I don’t live anywhere close (Baltimore), but yet the experience has been amazing both times. The uptime of the rides, the capacity, and the speed of the ride operators is second to none. The lines just continuously move.

    I can’t argue intensity with you, because I don’t know what counts as intense to you. Some people enjoy getting beat up or roughness and that’s their intensity. That’s not me.

15. Harbrian9 Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Umm. Chris, you need to get out of Prison City, I mean Canon City more often.

    You’re suggestion that Cedar Point just takes previous ideas and makes them taller is unsupportable.

    Both Knott’s and Cedar Point are Cedar Fair parks, so Top Thrill Dragster was in production around the same time that Xcelerator was (years of planning go into these coasters). If not, what does that make of Six Flag Great Adventure’s Kingda Ka? (which was also in production well before TTD opened…). Also, Millenium Force and Superman at Six Flags New England opened with in days of each other (check rcdb.com). No “previous” ideas taken there as well.

    You like originality, answer me this, which Six Flags Batman Coaster is best? Or which coaster is better SFMM Scream! or SFGA Medusa? Really, there are only so many coaster designers and fabricators and, for that matter, ideas.

    Historically, SFMM’s Revolution is not the first looping coaster and there is another 4th dimension coaster (Eejanaika) in Japan. The reason you haven’t seen X or 4th dimension coasters proliferate at Amusement parks across the country (much like the stratos-coasters) is that they are still trying to figure out how to do them right. X and TTD and Kingda Ka are maintenance horrors.

    And to you and all who suggest that Cedar Point has nothing to do but it’s coasters, you’re wrong. Just plain wrong. All parks have what they have to offer and I like to visit them all.

    One note though: I like the thought that when I visit a Cedar Fair park, like Disney parks, I don’t have to worry about gang related violence in the parks or their parking lots.

16. Ben Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    THank you Harbrian, Chris had no idea what he was talking about… i was just about to say the same thing until i read your post… ignorant people like that drive me insane… urghhh

17. Ben Says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    and after reading nonya and robert, i honestly do consider myself a fanboy of cedar point, been to both, my experience with mm, crappy, went for two whole days, only half the rides were running any part of the time i was there, tatsu was great but if Busch gardens europe gets one… which they will it’ll be ten times better. Riddler was the only roller coaster to EVER make me throw up, who wants to stand in a bucket and be thrown through like 6 inversions. X was down, superman was down, goliath was awesome, revolution was… Down, and colossus game me an extreme headache… the environment was terrible… i felt like i was in the one litter bin they actually have in the park, oh and it was fright fest or whatever, but there was nothing there, except some cheesy spiders… Now Cedar Fair… my experiences with them have been amazing, EVERY ride was running, i got to ride every ride i wanted to at least once each day, there lines, even though the park was packed, moved along fairly quickly. Mantis is like a much better version of riddler, and there larger coasters were amazing. I personally liked mean streak, a heck of a lot more than colossus and there were trash bins everywhere, so i didn’t feel i was going to die from the extreme litter in the park… cause ther was none… the food was great… it was just…. amazing… simply put…. i actually used to like magic mountain when i was a kid… that was my “mecca” until i went there…. it was quite disappointing…. so yes i am now a cedar point fanboy after truly experiencing the two… i’ll stick with cedar point

18. Brock Says:
    April 11th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Let me first say that I am not a particular fan towards either parks (Although I truly do prefer one over the other). True I live only an hour away from Magic Mountain and have practically grown up there, but that doesn’t detract from Cedar Point, which I have only been to a handful of times.

    First off, Magic Mountain has indeed been lacking in the last decade or two. It seems like the old management did not seem to care WHO was coming, as long as they looked good from the outside and there was much hype about the park. Sadly, reality finally hit them, and Six Flags quickly changed management (So I heard). From that time, about a year to two years ago, I can only say that I’ve been immensely HUGE changes at the mountain. One positive note is that the park’s two worst rides have been removed (although I enjoyed the whip lash on Psyclone) over the last few months. Additionally, many dated flat rides such as TopSpin, the Sierra spinning ride located near the soon to be Thomas Town (over by Goliath), as well as another horribly “carnival” esque ride in Gotham City near Batman. On top of this, the park is working towards adding better foot joints, such as the new Johnny Rockets in the Colossus Carnival area. They have also recently finished building the 3-point-hoop game as well (It looks really neat.), and they have finally re-opened, or at least are testing, Thrill Shot (I happened to ride it before they shut it down a few years ago; pure adrenaline).

    The park’s signature rides also undergone some small modifications as well as new paint jobs. One prime example of this can be seen in Viper, which now looks better than it did when it first opened back in 1991. Ninja, a few months ago, also received new paint, as well as Colossus, and both are holding up really well. Finally, the most noticeable and probably most brilliant is the paint job of X2. A lot of people may argue that they are merely copying the scheme of Eejanaika in Japan. However, this isn’t completely true when both colors are totally different tones (Eejanaika has park black, whereas X2 is charcoal; a much better color in my opinion). I think I can safely say that X2’s new paint scheme make it one of the coolest looking coaster to date, especially since it’s the first ride you see coming into the park on Magic Mountain Parkway.

    On top of the great paint job at X2, the new trains (2 of the three have been delivered thus far) are really looking sick! The blue/orange colors make the train really stand out, and they look so much more comfy than the old ones did. Additionally, they make for a much safer, smoother ride, and apparently are “smoother than Scream”, because they have been greatly trimmed down in size and weight. Sadly, as of now, I have heard that the tunnels that were going to be used on the ride have been scrapped, but as of now the Audio is still planned, which will also enhance the riding experience immensely. Finally, management is also working towards making the load and unloading process much quicker, thus making the line move faster. Hopefully this means no more “wow in the last thirty minutes I moved six feet” type deal. Overall, it seems as though they want to make X2 the shining Gem of the park, and from the looks of all of the changes they are doing it is working its way to the top. With such a smooth-potential ride, I think that X2 will do really well. After all, it seems that the majority of all it’s complaints were from the roughness the ride produced.

    On top of these changes, the quality of the bathrooms have also greatly improved. I witnessed a few teens messing around in one a few years ago, and after that I practically refused to use their bathrooms. However, after reading about all of the changes, and going there to witness the rumers, I can only say that they have become much cleaner. Don’t get me wrong, they have a long way to go, but it sure is a great start.

    In the thrill matter, I have to admit that I prefer the mountain’s coasters over Cedar Point’s. Sure, the Point has some great coaster such as Millenium Force (one of the best Intamin rides ever, and still one of my favorite rides), Maverick- a great new addition with some intense elements, TTD, Raptor, and Magnum, but the Mountain has some world-renown rides such as Tatsu, the world’s tallest and fastest flying coaster, which utilizes the terrain brilliantly to make for a truly awesome experience. They also have X2 (already brushed up on that one), the world’s first 4th Dimension (soon to be 5th, although I don’t really know what that means) coaster. They also have Riddler’s Revenge, still today the tallest and fastest and most intense stand-up coaster to date. The mountain also has Revolution- a great mild coaster through the tree-covered mountain side of Magic Mountain. Finally, Viper, one of the best Arrow coaster to date in my opinion (Apart from X/X2, Pepsi Max Big One, and Magnum), make the Mountain’s group of coasters one of the beefiest in the world. Lastly, I guess Goliath could be up there as well, being the first coaster in the new millenium, and with one of the most intense helixes ever (As well as a great first drop).

    If I break it down this way, as in similar coaster compared to the other between both parks (or category wise etc)…

    1) Tatsu Vs. Maverick (As in newest coaster)– I personally prefer Tatsu. Firstly, the line actually moved quite fast and the ride itself empowers Maverick. Although Maverick is a great ride, the line was long when I went and it hurt my neck really bad. Sure, both are great rides, but I prefer Tatsu by a mile because of the view, unique layout, and elements it has.

    2) Goliath Vs. Millenium Force– Need I say more? Obviously, the force wins here. Although Goliath has some very interesting elements such as the 3 seconds zero g bunny hop, the 255 foot drop into the tunnel, and the helix, Millenium Force broke 10 world records when it first opened. It has one of scariest first hills, one of the best first drop, and the speed just never really lets up. Both are also really smooth rides, but the seating on the force is more enjoyable.

    3) Viper Vs. Corkscrew– Sadly, corkscrew fails to even come close to Viper. The 7 inversions on Viper compared to the measly 3 on Corkscrew support just that. Sure, some people may prefer the milder experience that is Corkscrew, but others like me loved Viper and its new paint job.
    3.5) Additionally, you could do Viper Vs. Magnum, but I would place both as a tie. However, I could see how people could prefer Magnum over Viper, because of its history and unique ride experience. My problem with Magnum is that I compare it to Pepsi Max Big One, which in my mind was sheer terror the first time I went on it.

    4) Gemini Vs. Colossus– This one is a little tougher in my opinion. I loved both rides, but I would probably have to say Gemini because it is smoother and actually uses the racing tracks, which Colossus sadly lost years ago. However, if Colossus did race again, I think it would prevail over Gemini (also only if the they operated more trains, because the line takes too long for what it looks like).

    5) Batman Vs. Raptor– I don’t like either, because I’ve had bad experience with both, but on the logic side I would pick Raptor.

    6) Riddler’s Revenge Vs. Mantis– Not even a close one: The Revenge by a long mile. Intensity, loops, theming, elements- Ridder’s Revenge has it all. I particularly love the music in the station.

    7) Ninja Vs. Iron Dragon– Length wise, Iron Dragon. However, thrill wise, Ninja. Iron Dragon sadly doesn’t sit on any terrain like other great arrow suspendeds like The Big Bad Wolf and Ninja do. Also, Ninja comes close to the water two times and has plenty of turns.

    8) TTD Vs. Superman– Don’t really need to say anything on this one. Superman lacks in comparison if you are looking for the thrill side of it. Plus, I’ve heard that it’s only running at the Speed of Goliath as of right now. Also, the launch is no where near as good as TTD. Thus, the point wins for best skyline launcher.

    9) De-Ja-Vu Vs. Wicked Twister– Despite the problems, The Mountain’s DeJaVu is such a great ride, and prevails over Wicked Twister, partly because Wicked Twister was a little rough on the turns in you are sitting in the back, and because it felt like such a short ride for the hour and a half of a line that it had.

    10) Gold Rusher Vs. Cedar Creek Mine Ride– Gold Rusher. The reason for this is that it once again sits on the Mountain and thus has surprising elements including sharp turns, drops, hills, etc. Cedar Creek is too predictable, and for the most park the whole ride is moving at 10 miles per hour or on one of the two lift hills.

    11) Revolution Vs. Blue Streak (Kind of a weird comparison, but because Gold Rusher and Cedar Creek are the same type ride I put these two together)– I’d have to chose Revolution, as it’s a classic. Plus it’s very unpredictable because the trees have grown taller than the ride itself, thus the rider can’t see what’s coming next.

    That’s 7 for Magic Mountain and 4 for Cedar Point. Obviously these are just rated based on my likings, but overall I prefer the thrill rides (as in Roller Coasters) at SFMM over the ones at Cedar Point.

    Despite all of this, there is no doubt that Cedar Point has better flat rides. MaXair and Screamin Swing make for two great ones. Magic Mountain has lacked in this category for decades, and if they wish to get more folks to the park they need to build some new ones.

    Based on a kid-friendly environment, Cedar Point probably takes the title. Pretty much half of the park is focused on the toddlers. Even though Magic Mountain is opened Thomas Town, it fails in comparison to what Cedar Point has.

    Overall, because I prefer thrills over the whole package, I love Magic Mountain. Yes Cedar Point has something for everyone, but in my opinion thrills are better. I can totally see why people could love Cedar Point. In fact, I do as well. I just feel that the mountain has better coasters, is all.

19. pedro Says:
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    sixflags magic mountain is the capital world of roller coasters come on six flags has the biggest and funnest roller coasters there is, and cedar point sux because mostly all the roller coasters are ugly and there not fun to ride on and six flags roller coasters are smooth fun and newer to ride on

20. Harbrian9 Says:
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I’m going to post again just to make one of the underlying points to my original post clear.

    If you get caught up comparing the coasters at Six Flags Magic Mountain and Cedar Fair’s Cedar Point Park as if it’s a competition, then - no matter how long your post is - you really don’t know coasters.

    Now idiocy about all things coaster can be fun (as very few of these posts at this site have been), just know you’re being a fool.

21. Nonya Says:
    April 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Usually I wouldn’t post again. But I will this time. This is a perfect example of why everyone hates Cedar Point fans. Heaven forbid that I don’t put Cedar Point on a pedestal while not considering them the “God” of amusement parks (rolls eyes)

    I have been to many amusement parks and have lived all over the country (Ohio and PA by far the worst places I’ve lived by the way). As I stated before you Cedar fans seem to think that the park has that certain amusement park nostalgia feeling and Magic doesn’t. Ah newsflash, Hersey Park has that nostalgia, Dollywood, has that nostalgia, Bush’s parks had that nostalgia. No Cedar or Six parks have it. Though I could almost consider Six Flags Fiesta Texas. Knotts had it, but it has been destroyed. Notice how Cedar is bothering to replace the horses for the stage coach. So when they all die from old age another old time ride will be gone. So anyone making that argument for Cedar obviously is biased as well as ignorant and hasn’t been to many parks. Cedar and Six are parks with Steel and Wood and that’s it. Sorry as much as I love both, that’s the reality. And furthermore Cedar Point revenue wise isn’t even the star child. Knott’s is. Knott’s makes more money due to its location, but that’s the fact.

    To respond to Robert ah, loosing a heartline roll is a big loss. It’s the signature element on Scream and Medusa. I understand that Maverick had a problem. I disagree with their idea to cut it from the ride. I know opening dates are important, but if a delay happens to make a better product I’m all for it. They should have delayed the opening and have found a way to incorporate the element into the ride. Instead they chose to cut so they could make their time frame. HA! I’m not bashing it, I havn’t ridden it and would actually like to get back there and ride it, but I’m just stating that cutting that element was not a minor change it was MAJOR on the intensity factor.

    I didn’t bother to count them up or research, I’m lazy and am not one of you enthusiasts. I just like roller coasters and amusement parks. I will never join one of your little clubs. What a joke they are. But I’m not going to make personal attacks if you like those clubs, more power to you. I just laugh at them. But that’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it.

    I did ride Wicked Twister. The only coaster I didn’t ride was Maverick because, I went in 06. Why I compared Wicked and DeJa simple. One let me down, the other blew me away. I had been on many impulses before Wicked and was expecting it to be much better as all the other were mediocre. Nope same thing as the others. While DeJa I initially wrote off as another Boomerang type ride that I’ve ridden many times. Nope far from it and became my #2 coaster. Now 3 since Tatsu. And you mentioned that how many carnivals have a huss giant frisbee. Many fairs actually do have a huss frisbee. And further my last fair I went to had a better ride: A Chance Revolution. Better than Huss’ ride could ever dream to be. Provided it’s running a good program. Knott’s runs a bad one, but Santa Cruz runs a suburb one and it was by far a better ride than Cedar’s MaxAir. Chance with the right program is going to be a better ride than Huss. There’s something they could have done, rip out Wicked and put in two Chance Revolutions there’s a better use of the land for you. But anyway I’ll give you MaxAir and Skyhawk. Wahoo you have 2 new flats (rolls eyes). 2 is nothing. When your talking 10 new flats then come back and make that argument.

    I could care less if your fellow enthusiast buddies probably won’t get the chance to ride a DeJaVu. And by the way Burkart recently stated that DeJaVu is going to stay. By the way it usually been open when I go to the mountain. So I have not experienced this so called “always down” that I hear everyone report. It’s just a long line. Over an hour.

    I could easily take a cheap shot at Cedar for also removing White Water to put in Maverick. But I won’t result to that low kind of act like Cedar Point fan boys do. But I will add that Magic just refurbished their boat flume ride Jet Stream and are keeping it and opted to remove bad coasters instead of it. hmm curious? Cedar could have taken down MeanSteak to place Maverick there, but nope. Cedar was too busy tearing down a perfectly good water ride instead of bad coasters so they can keep their precious count?lol. What a joke. And a horrible corp decision I might add. Corp run by monkeys. I hold water rides just below coasters, but way above flat rides. So Cedar is also guilty of removing rides. What do you know, I ended up taking the cheap shot anyway sorry to the mature people reading this. Wow, how juvenile of me.lol. Also Magic has a good log flume. Ridewise it is the the best log flume I’ve been on. Of course Splash Mountain is the best one, but ride wise Magic’s water moves really fast and it actually is: Log JAMMER. Those logs haul.

    As for freefall, the ride lost it when Riddler was put in. It used to be the only thing there, and it looked really tall. Then Riddler came in, and it lost it’s scare factor as it was dwarfed by Riddler. Feefall would have needed to be moved to regain it’s glory and scare factor, not worth it due to its age, so I see why they took it out. Burkart also stated recently that Magic won’t be lacking a free fall for long.

    I believe Six Flags Management knows what they are doing. I was living in CA when the locals there were worried that the park would be sold. I new for a fact it wasn’t going anywhere. You don’t sell a park in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Only an idiot does that. Magic has enormous potential and as said previous I saw the changes on my trip there this year. It’s leagues beyond what it was. Due to the CA factor it can be whored out to advertisers and even movies again at any time. People care a lot more about CA than OH. Coaster wise this park actually has more potential than Cedar right now because they were first to trim their fat. Cedar is now behind. They need to follow with Mean Streak and that other lame one Disaster Transport. Boy did that suck. Magic is ahead of them now, and should they choose to, with the building of only a few coasters are in a position to crush Cedar in coaster quality. It already does for me since I like intense inversions so much. 1 new Wooden and a good solid family coaster and it’s a done deal right there. Of course Cedar will build more coasters but something will have to go to do so. Will Cedar Point be smart about it and trim the fat like the Mountain or remove more perfectly good water rides to keep their stupid count?

    Lastly the so called gang problems are being exaggerated. Yes there has been a few problems but none nowhere near the way these enthusiast Cedar fanboys make them out to be. Every park is going to have fights, that’s normal, Disney has them. It’s just when one happens at Magic people automatically assume it’s gang related. No! Wrong. I guarantee you Cedar Point has had some fights at some point. It’s just no ones cares. And they wouldn’t. It’s Ohio. People are too busy worrying about CA,DC, and NY to pay attention to anything in the Midwest. As for the crowd looking like they do, now your talking culture. As one that’s lived on both coasts I’ve seen the difference in dress. Example go into a Pac Sun or Vans store in CA then go into either one out east. Out east chances are it’s probably not too busy. Out West somewhere it has a large chance of being jammed. Westerners dress differently than the easterners. I’ve noticed it. And on a minor note people look way better in the west. I saw people when I lived in PA that were even abusing the word UGLY. That wasn’t enough to describe some of the people there. My point is just because you see a teen in baggy pants or looking like a thug doesn’t make them “gangsta”. Though they may call themselves “gangsta” they aren’t. How I know this? If you are calling your mom to come and pick you up from the amusement park, you my friend are NOT “Gangsta”.lol. I could also take another cheap shot right now at the Cedar Ohio hicks where many are related in ways that they shouldn’t be, but again I don’t like to result to the lowly Cedar Point fanboy style insults like the ones they use of CA crowds. Gansters (rolls eyes) I can’t believe that someone actually tried to argue that. So blown out of proportion.

    I’ve made my point and already explained what is intense for me. Upside down will always win for me on a coaster. Even when it’s going slow. Sometimes that’s the fun. Viper’s corkscrews are so good because the train is going so slow. Hangtime is far better than air time could ever dream to be.

    And you’ll notice I made no mention of Goliath and Millennium. Why? simple, see Superman Ride of Steel. I need not say more.
    Same with the Launchers Superman the Escape, Top Thrill Diaster, and why not throw in Kingda Krap. These are gimmicks, not rides. See Xcelerator and Storm Runner for rides that launch. Loved Storm Runner.

22. harbrian9 Says:
    April 12th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    Nonya - everyone doesn’t hate Cedar Point fans, but most everyone does hate blowheart posters who rattle on without saying anything pertinent.

    From someone who just loves coasters and parks, next time you have a point to make, just make it; and study up on your coaster history a bit before you do.

23. Brock Says:
    April 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    I have to agree with Nonya there. The gang issues have been blown way out of proportion, and the park has taken everything into account and has really improved over the last year or two.

24. harbrian9 Says:
    April 13th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    For me personally, the two worst parks I have been to lately in terms of violence related reactions from other patrons have been, Great Adventure and Knotts Berry Farm; a Six Flags park and Cedar Fair park respectively. This was last summer. It was particularly sad to see how trashy Knott’s had become. I saw two fights break out during my day there. Not gang related, but definitely racially inspired. I always just expect one of two incidents every time I visit Great Adventure.

    My sense from all the coaster blogs I follow is that there is a general consensus about how bad Six Flags parks are, which is not so bad you’d stay away, but bad enough that it does need to, as Brock says, “Improve over the last year or two.” On the other hand, there seems to be a great deal of anxiety about Cedar Fair and how it may have bitten off more than it could chew financially with the purchase of the Paramount Parks, which could be leading to dramatic quality slippage. I mean, I really disliked my visit to Knott’s last summer, but I haven’t been there for years.

    All parks attract their share of individuals who lack appropriate social skills. we’re talking Amusements parks here, not museums or the opera… Cedar Point is one of the better ones. It really is. I’ve never seen a fight there, ever. Even with all the cousin-f*ckers that Nonya refers to. Speaking of which, Nonya, I don’t know how much I’m willing to argue this with you, because I don’t think you’re the brightest (who are your parents?). You use a lot of words to say very little, hopefully just a hallmark of youth and not foolishness.

25. Tony Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 7:19 am

    I am lucky enough to have been to all three mega thrill parks. (SFMM, SFGADV, CP) I have to say that all three offer some great thrills. However, the reason I have to say CP is by far the best is as follows:
    - Better atmosphere. The truth is that SFMM and SFGADV still have violence issues. You cannot go to wither without expecting to be ditched in line. I here SFMM is making great strides, so I wish them the best.
    - CP has a better collection of rides. They are lacking a sit down mega-looper but the CEO has never been a fan of looping coasters. I agree with him on that stance, but only my opinion. They could use a nice wooden coaster, possibly Intimin prefab like El-Toro, which is an amazing coaster that represents the best that SFGADV has to offer. SFMM has Goliath which is a decent ride, but pales in comparison to MF. People say it is intense but I never got that feeling. I was kinda bored on the ride. Riddler is easily better than Mantis. Raptor destroys Batman, one of the worst inverts my friends and I have ever been on. Superman is not even in the same league as TTD. If you have experienced both launches you will laugh about that comparison as I do!! Maverick is about as unique as a ride as I have seen built in a long time. I would compare this to X before I would to anything else at SFMM. X is a nice ride and one of the meanest thrills I have ridden. The ride, however is extremely rough. It is short and if I had my choice I would pick Maverick. However, X is being refurbished, adding new trains. I hope this makes a nice impact on the ride. Tatsu is amazing, simply the best flying coaster out there. This is a must ride at SFMM, unlike Scream which is simply a cookie cutter coaster built on the parking lot. Not much thought put into this ride, just a half-a$$ed attempt to add an extra coaster. Deja Vu verses Wicked Twister. I have never got to ride Deja Vu because is was never open when I was at SFMM. WT is a ride that I consider to be one of the most underrated rides I have ever rode. Sitting in the laster car, I was actually scared that I would fly right off the track!!! I cannot really compare them since I have not ridden both but WT is very fun!
    - Flat rides- Does SFMM have any? CP as some fantastic flats. Power Tower is great with that second-to-none skyline and lake view. THe other flats are very fun. The fact is, you cannot ride everything CP has to offer in less than 2 days, even with there above average train dispatching. You can easily ride everything, the is not broke down, at SFMM in one day.
    Overall it really isn’t close. You cannot miss out on some good coasters at either park. SFGADV is the most comparable thing to SFMM, but for a truly amazing experience “get to the Point.”

26. Nonya Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Now, you’re attacking my intelligence. Ha feel free to, could care less. It’s what all the Cedar fanboys do to anyone that disagrees with them anyway. I won’t bother to mention that I’m 1 year away from my Chemistry degree and I’ve lived all over the country because of an internship that has kept me very busy the last 4 years and is also the reason while I don’t already have my degree. Oh and I still have all my teeth unlike many Midwestern hicks. But you can’t blame them, after all they started smoking at age 9. Perfectly normal (rolls eyes) I actually saw a mother give her little girl a cigarette in OH. Pull that kind of crap out west you’ll get busted, and rightfully so. That right there is what’s wrong with the Midwest. This is the crowd attending Cedar Point. I actually was feeling myself getting dumber living among the people of the Midwest. At least when I lived in Los Angeles around the wanna be “gangstas”; they at least expressed street smarts. Midwest have no smarts, book or street. Too many years doing factory B*t*h work I guess. Probably fried what little brain cells they had. And yes I know I sound snobby. I am snobby. I have no respect for anyone that doesn’t have a college degree in an acceptable program. (Communications and Liberal Arts won’t earn any respect) And I hate stupid people. Which stupid people are everywhere of course, but my time in OH and PA. They take the title for dumbest people in this country. Even the Southerners from Georgia were smarter then them, and they have that oh-so-intelligent sounding southern accent (insert sarcasm). You people need to back up and look at who attends your own park before you look at crowds of other parks and compare them. Chances are yours are far from perfect.

    I’m taking an unrelated cheap shot here, read at own risk: To the the Midwesterners pay attention to the life you live in your own pathetic state By the way, the west still has jobs I might add. More so than you can say for the Midwest who’s closed all their factories. In my travels of living in all areas of the country the west is by far the best place. Dry, not humid, less rain, you don’t have yearly flooding, etc… less problems.
    L.A., Vegas, and Phoenix I loved. Miami was ok, as was Atlanta (so nothing against the East Coast), while PA and OH were absolutely horrible. Never will I live in such an awful place again. I pity the people (especially the children that can’t help it) that have to live in the Midwest and for their own good they need to leave asap before the areas kills what little future they have.

    I only brought that stuff up because someone brought up the crowd that attends Magic Mountain. And look we have another one claiming violence. Line cutting isn’t violence. Line cutting is normal and very minimal at Magic for So Cal. You think Magic is bad, you should see Disney or Knotts these days. Far worse there. I had a whole class cut in front of me on haunted mansion. Now that I think of it Kennywood was pretty bad too the day I went there.

    Magic Mountain may not have many flats but they at least still have both of their water flume rides. Cedar has… Oh that’s right they tore it down for a roller coaster. Leaving them with a chute and rapids as the sole water rides? Lame… These flumes in my opinion fit more into the equation of a rounded park than flats do. If Magic decided to take out Log Jammer for a giant flat like a Huss Giant Frisbee or a new roller coaster, I would hardly be celebrating. That would be a tough pill to swallow. Could care less about the flats. Flumes are easily some of the best family friendly rides by the way. Many flats aren’t family friendly. I’ll take a flume over any flat, especially when it’s 95 degrees out. Sometimes you just want to get wet instead of soaked which is a problem with rapids and chutes. They can leave you more wet than you wanted. So Cedar screwed themselves for people like me. I actually stopped riding a lot of rapids rides because of that. I don’t like getting THAT wet. Flumes are far more important for a rounded park than flats.

    The cedar fans need to stop defending Cedar Point as being more than a coaster park and who the hell called Lake Erie pretty. I worked on it… Lake Erie is not a pretty atmosphere. Pretty water is FL and Hawaiian waters. The great lakes are nasty disgusting cesspools. That’s why people were advised for years not to eat any fish caught in them. I had to work in Erie PA on Lake Erie for awhile. You know what kind of S*** I found in there? It was worse then an LA beach in CA, and that’s pretty bad. Cedar Point is not one thing more then a coaster park. They don’t even have any decent water rides anymore. I’m by no means saying Magic is rounded, because that’s not either. You people need to get out and visit other parks. Then you will learn what a rounded park is. Dollywood is a perfect example. Good food too.

    Magic, Better Coasters for the Inverted fan. Magic better/more water rides. Atmosphere, large corp paying minimum wage so you get what you pay for.

    Cedar, Better Coasters for the speed and height fan. More/better flat rides. And a drop tower. A drop tower is not a flat. Atmosphere, large corp paying minimum wage so you get what you pay for.

27. Tony Says:
    April 16th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Did you all forget that Cedar Point has been voted “Best Amusement Park in the World” by Amusement Today for the past ten years. End of discussion! CEDAR POINT…THE AMAZEMENT PARK!

28. Tony Says:
    April 16th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Oh Yeah….forgot to mention….of the top ten steel coasters in 2007….Cedar Point has 3…according to Amusement Today….

    Top 10 Steel Coasters in 2007
    1 Superman Ride of Steel Six Flags New England
    2 Millennium Force Cedar Point
    3 Nitro Six Flags Great Adventure
    4 Apollo’s Chariot Busch Gardens Europe
    5 Magnum XL-200 Cedar Point
    6 Expedition GeForce Holiday Park
    7 Phantom’s Revenge Kennywood
    8 Goliath Six Flags Over Georgia
    9 Top Thrill Dragster Cedar Point
    10 Montu Busch Gardens Africa

    Other 2007 awards:
    Best New Ride - Amusement Park: Maverick at Cedar Point
    Best Capacity Cedar Point

    Side comment: I don’t see Magic Mountain on the list in 2007…anywhere…I feel a small salty tear rolling down my face right now…..

    THE AMAZEMENT PARK BABY!

29. Nonya Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Right, because Amusement today isn’t biased at all (roll eyes). Did YOU forget that Amusement Today is a magazine for nerds with nothing to do? And that people that actually bother to vote in those things, the majority have never been west passed the Mississippi?

    That aside might as well play your little game. Since I got time, and I enjoy pissing off Midwest hicks (plus you’re paying my salary). You wouldn’t see Magic on those lists because people don’t really go to Magic. If they vacation in CA and choose to visit an amusement park while on vacation (yea CA has more to do than amusement parks unlike Ohio) Disney will take presence. Knotts too because of it’s vicinity to Disney. Or Universal for that matter. Magic is too far for many so it gets omitted as does the chance of getting any votes for those nerd magazines.

    Plus there’s a lot more people out in the Midwest and the east. The west is pretty much just CA. You leave the state and populations are very small outside the large cities. Where out in the Midwest and the East you have a bunch of clumps of run down hick towns. (I’m enjoying CO, there’s no one here in Boulder. It’s kind of a refreshing change for me at the moment.) Fact is if there were more people here in the west and if Disney wasn’t here, magic would more than likely have some rides in there. They aren’t there because people haven’t ridden the rides or visited the park, and the ones that have sure as hell aren’t going to vote in a nerdy poll like that. That gets in the way of something called HAVING A LIFE. That’s the CA culture. It’s the fastest life style I’ve lived in. They never settle down for 15 min. And certainly not going to sit down for something like a roller coaster poll.lol What a joke. It was even faster than NY. If Cedar Point was in Magic’s exact location it wouldn’t be that much better off attendance wise. That’s what Disney does to the amusement park industry. If Knott’s was an hour away from Disney it would have been closed years ago. Luckily It’s only a 15 min drive so it lives off of Disney’s shadow. (Quite comfortably I might add, taking in more revenue than your beloved Cedar Point)

    Cedar Point has no competition in OH from anything. Amusement park or other outside entertainment vendors. OH has none. When I lived in CA, Magic has numerous competition outside just amusement parks, you got surfing, good beaches, clubs, hot women (something roller coaster geeks wouldn’t know anything about). Must stop here for a second: I shudder at what you call LADIES in the Midwest. Every single hot woman I met in the Midwest was from elsewhere. Every one. “Hey what’s going on? blah blah blah so where are you from, I know you’re not from here” sure enough none of them were. I pity you people. Back on topic, Magic has to compete for the dollar a hell of a lot more than Cedar Point does. Ohio has Cedar Point, and Kings Island, and and, and, Oh yea THATS IT! No lake Erie argument. I already commented earlier on those disgusting cesspools called the great lakes. So that doesn’t fly with me, I refuse to do anything in them swim , fish, or water sports. With no competition and a greater population of large cities in a reasonable driving distance and the absence of a Disney park to dominate the industry, of course they will get a bunch of visitors and naturally with many unemployed they will go home and vote in those stupid polls. You wouldn’t see Californians or other Westerners voting in that stuff because WE HAVE JOBS unlike the gov’t dwelling project bums that somehow still can afford a direct tv dish or a day at the amusement park. Interesting… That shouldn’t be allowed, but again that’s the Midwest where they aren’t known for the intelligence, their Gov’t included. Even worse than CA’s government and they elected an Actor for governor.lol. When us westerners aren’t working we are doing something else because we have more to do than visit amusement parks because it’s an actual nice place to live. The Midwest is a nothing more than a hell hole. And looking at moving trends across the nation, many are coming to this same conclusion. More moving out than moving in. And where are they headed? Oh yea to the west.

    To sum up this rant on the Midwest hicks, those polls are biased because the only people voting are just trying to distract themselves from their pathetic little life living in a hell hole with women that can pass for men, piss poor waterfronts, bad sports teams, unemployment and the only relief from that hell, Yes: Cedar Point.

    If anyone wants to disagree fine but I’ll take Amusement today’s list here humor Tony lets see.
    Superman. East Coast
    Millennium Midwest
    Nitro East Coast
    Apollo’s East Coast
    Magnum Midwest
    Expedition The oddball
    Phantom’s Midwest
    Goliath East Coast/The South
    TTDisaster Midwest
    Montu East Coast

    That’s absolutely not biased at all considering all of these outside of Expedition are the Midwest and East Coast (rolls eyes). More large cities and closer driving distances = more votes for amusement today destroying it’s credibility. Much like how the NY Times lost its credibility.

30. KP Says:
    May 18th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    The worst part of MM (besides their tolerance for downtime for major rides) is the atmosphere and client base. Very ghetto. No resorts on property. You can stay at the lame Fiesta Inn or whatever at the bottom of the hill, and be at the mercy of the one shuttle that runs. With CP, you can stay on property and make a real vacation out of it. Beautiful white sand beach, water park, miniature golf, extra rides at Challenge Park, Go carts, etc. Plus, as a resort guest you get in an hour before the public and ride top notch coasters before lines form. CP cannot be experienced in one day, so having the option to stay for several days and really soak in the fun is a real scale tipper for me. All the gang bangers at MM in their Raiders gear and the graffiti in the bathrooms is a real turn off. I was bored with MM in one day. Batman is ugly and is half the ride of Raptor. Goliath is a fun ride, but it’s on an ugly dirt lot. Same with Scream. Superman was a bit let down (when it was open). X was a blast, but the lines were outrageous. But by far it was the lack of other things to do besides coasters. I’m a coaster freak and now that my kids are grown, I don’t “have” to have a family-friendly place, but still CP’s atmosphere feels way more like a vacation destination. I would do MM if someone else paid, but to me it’s more of a day at the State Fair or something, not anything you could do for multiple days.
    No hotels, no good gift shops, nothing to do but pray that the rides are open and the teens aren’t line jumping. I know the L.A. area has better use for its police force, but the lack of security makes for an environment where the hoods call the shots. It’s just not fun at MM. Besides, arent’t there rumors that the park needs to be sold so the land holders can make a mint in real estate? There are lots of reasons to visit California, but good amusement parks (outside the Disney lovers, which is NOT me) is not one of them. Even Knott’s, which I like, seems like an afterthought on a city block. I guess I’m just used to the beauty in parks like CP or other great parks in Virginia and even Florida. No thanks, MM. You’ll never woo me there again, unless it’s on someone else’s nickel. Let the west coast folks say what they will about Ohio or whatever, I don’t live in Ohio either, just let them stay home and shorten the lines for me at CP. I’ll do the same for y’all who are faithful to MM. To each his own!

31. Tim Says:
    May 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 am

    I do not claim to be unbiased. I live in Southern California and have never been to Cedar Point.
    I have a few brief comments:
    -Cedar Point has a hundred year advantage over Magic Mountain. (1870 versus 1971) To be honest, it disappoints me that one of the oldest parks in the country cannot get farther.
    -To whoever it was that thought that Six Flags used to be tied at 17, it was Cedar Point who had to catch up in 2007 with Maverick, and then the demolition of Flashback dropped Magic Mountain to second. And they already have a new coaster slated to open in 2009, which, even if it is family oriented, it will be a good coaster. We are tied once more.
    -To confirm one comment I read, Revolution is not the first looping coaster. It was the world’s first 360 degree looping coaster. (The others did not go in a full loop.)
    That ride to this day remains a lot of fun, plus it has historic value.
    -Superman is not to be judged. If you cannot appreciate the greatness of its sheer speed, I feel sorry for you, because you just wasted your time. It was, for a while, the fastest ride in the world.
    -Magic Mountain is not the Disney Empire. It is not a park to vacation to. Locals love it; everyone else can just take a day trip from one of Disneyland’s hundreds of hotels (If you think I’m exaggerating, just look how solid hotels consume Disneyland’s surroundings.)
    -We don’t have a surplus of land in Southern California. Many people commute into the Metropolitan mass of Los Angeles, but most prefer to suburban life. Hence, housing is as always becoming more expensive here.
    -Concerning all this stupidity over theme park and amusement park. Personally, I don’t care. But Magic Mountain is a theme park. The lands are very distinctive, and the surroundings are molded to fit Gotham or the Asian Summit (for example). No idea about Cedar Point.
    -My experience with Cedar Fair is limited to Knott’s Berry Farm and California’s Great America. To those who dissed Knott’s, I find that park amazing because that was a part of our fourth grade California Gold Rush studies (back when you could actually learn something from Knott’s). I enjoy thoroughly Cedar’s addition of the Silver Bullet, but it kills the small theme park feel Knott’s had. I get that the big, industrial park sells better, but the park just seemed much happier before Cedar Fair’s changes took effect.
    -Great America was home to some of the most uncomfortable roller coasters I have been on. Cedar Fair needs to do something about that sometime, but I do not know how long they have been in charge of the park.
    -I believe Magic Mountain to be the premier roller coaster park in America. With every new ride, their engineers continue to push the limits of coasters. I’m yet to experience anything to match the uniqueness of X, the soaring of Tatsu, and the style of Riddler. To me, these coasters, and others that I do not have time to mention. (I give you my apologies for not being absolutely brief.)
    -I will eventually make it out to Cedar Point. When I do, I will truly know the superior park.

32. Hannah Says:
    May 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    CEDAR POINT ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
    #1 Best Amusement Park in the World baby! 10 years in a row!
    Need I say more?
    Do you ever see any of Magic Mountain’s roller coasters voted best in the country EVER?? Nope.

    Six Flags parks in general can kiss my a**!! Somebody is always dying or getting their legs chopped off or going to the hospital from the awful rides there! You couldn’t force me on one of those piece of s*** rides!
    Half the rides are always broken down anyways!

    Cedar Point is and always be
    AMERICA’s ROCKIN ROLLER COAST
    ROLLERCOASTER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD
    and THE BEST AMUSEMENT PARK IN THE EVERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33. Elvis P. Says:
    May 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Cedar point, in my oppinion, is the best thrill park out there. They have been getting many new shows and attractions for the 6 day old 2008 season

34. Michael Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    So… First off, I grew up at cedar point… I’ve only been to Magic mountain once, I have a season pass to cedar point. So, I can’t tell which park has better coasters, cause I have only gone on about half of magic mountains coasters… The other half were broken down. Deja vu, X, Tatsu, and viper… just to name a few. Raptor absolutley kills batman. TTD absolutlely kills superman. Ridler kills Mantis. Gemini kills Collosus. Millenium forse kills golath in all aspects (millenium forse is the best coaster out there in my opinion) but Goliath kills the rough Magnum. I love wicked twister, it is the most under rated ride. But I don’t know about de ja vu… It was broken down.

    Maverick isn’t all as special as I thought It would be, but is still a great ride. X… was broken down. But I hear X is amazing, so…

    What else… The suspendeds, I love suspendes, they are so intense… I think ninja is better than Iron dragon.

    Now, I will credit MM one amazing thing that cedar point doesn’t have. TATSU!!! One of the most amazing rides imaginable! Second favorite after Milenium forse. And also Scream, stupid themeing, on a parking lot. Medusa is awesome at great adventure, but Scream isn’t great at all. But still cedar point doesn’t having anything like it.

    Flats… MaXair is the most amazing thing ever. The best Flat ride ever. Power Tower is amazing of course. I love chaos. And Skyhawk has so much airtime… But is too short. Magic mountain… any good flats?

    I love the classyness of Cedar point, everybody is happy but magic mountain was not happy at all.

    So… Conclusion. Magic mountain might have better rides (if they’re open) but cedar point is the much better park. If cedar point gets an awesome flyer wich would be really to be better than tatsu… and if cedar point got a huge original florless, It would be certainly the coaster capital of the world. I think they tie in the coaster capital rank, But cedar point kills magic mountain in the park ranking!

    Have a great day!

    :]

35. Ashley Says:
    June 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am

    geez ppl! cedar point is not really as great as you all think. their idea of roller coasters was not until early 1900’s. all the same, SFMM recieved most of their rollercoasters from SFGA (six flags great america) and therefore is one of the few theme parks of six flags tha hasn’t become really disney-like. so what if ’superman’ isn’t as thrilling as some of the rides at cedar point!! that ride came from us at great america, thank you very much. same as viper, whizzer, demon, etc. 2 days ago in line waitng for Dark Knight, they were showing the top ten best rollercoasters and cedar points only one was the dragster er watever and it was last. goliath was #3, and here at great america Raging Bull was #4 and this was all parks besides six flags too. if you want lots of things to do, come to SFGA in Gurnee, Illinois. o and #1 was in new jersey at 110 mph on a 5 minute ride. and one day, cedar point won’t be the coaster capital. they’re all happy go lucky and almost no accidents have occured there because all of us parks test them for u and then u buy them!

    Six Flags Great America facts:
    -first park, firstly known as Marriot’s Great America.
    - Tidal Wave, or Greased Lightnin’ to Magic Mountain, was one of the best roller coasters around. (if it came back to life, it would top rollercoaster thrill once again)
    - Many of older rides are still operating today, such as Demon (Turn of The Century), American Eagle, Whizzer, and Iron Wolf as well as the antique cars and Condor.
    - one of the worst accidents in six flags history was of The Edge, when train 1 slid back down a hill and collided with the train coming out of the station. Only 4 boys in the front car of the outgoing train were serverely injured. Six Flags had put in a brake that would prevent that from happening, but it obviously didn’t happen, so they built stronger ones. However, it never regained popularity so it was sold to Kentucky.
    -super-kid friendly now and has not had an accident since The Edge.

    Enough about Great America, though, but does anyone know if Shock Wave is now still relocated from SFGA to SFMM?

36. Bryan Says:
    July 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Wow Nonya, “I’m not a fanboy of Magic if I sound like one.” You sure sound like one.

    I’ve been to both, and i have to say Cedar Point is the best. Just the atmosphere is better, MM had a ghetto atmosphere to it. And your argument is totally opinionated, which is something you cant argue about. You may think inversions are better than height and speed, but i’d say most of the world enjoys height and speed over anything.

    And what is with the bashing towards Ohio? One of the worst places you’ve lived in?? I could just tell from your tone that you are a rich, snobby, spoiled brat that lives over there in the West. When i visited San Diego, the ppl there were atrocious. Snobby, arogant brats is all i have to say. Over here, we get beat for our mistakes, and are overall disciplined. You’d probably cry if you got hit in the arm or something haha. And i havent met one hick in the city i live in.

    You sir, are a failure

37. mike Says:
    August 3rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!! I live in cleveland and go to cedar point every year, and every year it gets more boring. Never been to california but Im sure the people who go to SFMM feel the same way. These parks fat cats are only out for more money. Cedar point’s maverick is a load of crap, but its a way to keep mindless sheep coming back to fork over a months worth of pay (for a family of 4)to stand in line for two days to ride junk.In a world of contiuned suffering, wars about oil, people who haven’t ate in days, does it really matter who has more roller coasters.

38. Matt Says:
    August 5th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I can’t believe that people would go on arguing about a topic that will never be resolved. Both parks have thier pros and cons. I don’t believe that you can call yourself a true thrill seeker unless you have been to both parks. Each park will have the one ride that everyone will love to ride time and time again. Thats what makes a great park. Hopefully MM is cleaning up and beautifying the area, but in the same note I hope both parks are working to make things cleaner.

    IF we all agreed on the best park then all the best rides would be at ONE park. That goodness for competition or else we could never affored to visit these parks more than once.

39. Jumpgo Says:
    August 5th, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    I have been to CP and the old SF that was formerly Geauga Lake. That park had a quick transition to SF with their “theme” rides such as Batman and Superman.

    Batman was a pretty smooth ride I thought. Not overall thrilling but smooth.

    Superman was pretty intense being the first one of its kind I rode. I still remember “clear” and then I woudl be shot up and then fall back down.

    Looking back after riding other rides since from CP I would have to say CP does have a convincing edge on those type of rides. I have not rode some of the “location specific rides” I have seen mentioned and TBO it sounds like fun.

    Let me say this though.
    CP does do extremely well in keeping up with the trends and is even on top of them on a few occassions. They focus their dollar (it seems) on the coasters and not the rides.

    Mine Ride…..I hate this ride. Its slow, creaky (I know by design right), and jerky. If not for historic value I see no reason to keep this one up. Theming is decent but limited.

    Blue Streak…..I like it. Its the oldest coaster in the park. Its quick and pretty smooth. My gf hates it though. She says it throws her into the lap bar at just about every hill. whatever.

    Gemini. I love this ride. I love the racing (of course) and I love the fact that it has a very pleasant feel to it and a nice first hill. The feeling of “hitting the wooden beams” is intense if you like to keep your hands up because you get that feeling alot!!

    Maverick. My first thought of this ride from watching it was…..wow it looks pretty ordinary,….maybe a bit faster then most twisting but not anything to get excited about. Well after I rode it,….I was like….wow that 2nd “shotput” from the tunnel really took me by surprise and turned my entire thought process of the ride into a great one. I think thats what it is for anyone really. It takes that one great moment or bad moment on a ride and thats what sticks out in your head. Well that 2nd release from the tunnel is the “signature” of that ride IMO and made it a very enjoyable ride.

    Raptor. I havent rode any of its type so Im bias but I absolutely love this ride. It is extremely smooth and quite fast for the type of ride it is. They did an amazing job on creating it IMO.

    Mantis. I hate this ride. I always try to convince myself I just had a bad seat or something and thats why I didnt enjoy it so I try it again…..only to get that feeling of “why did I just go on this?” The ride hurts my man parts at several dips as they jar the standup seat right up there. Sure you squat to get padding but these kids are professionally trained at jamming it up there.

    Magnum. Was a fantastic….(cant emphasize enough) ride for the year it was introduced. I think it was 2nd in speed and height to only a ride outside of the US at the time. Well time has taken a toll and now its a bit uncomfy it seems at parts. Its still a nice ride and I would wait if the line wasnt over 15m to get on.

    Millenium Force…..Best ride I have ever been on. Am I biased? Sure but I dont have much of a sample size outside of CP to compare to (except Disney World but they are all theming and their coasters as I recall them were pretty much Space Mountain and a train coaster). In any case,….MF is my favorite ride.

    Top Thrill Dragster…..I personally think the view from below is far more breathtaking then the 12 second ride. I think the theming that corresponds is awesome too (down to the bleachers where people can watch and the countdown). The hill going up happens so fast and felt great but going back down didnt seem to have the same effect. Great ride but I put Raptor and MF above it.

    Corkscrew…..Its a very old ride. Its one of the oldest in the park. Its extremely outdated but I do like the corkscrew going right over a main walkway. Its great walking and listening to the coaster twist right over your head. They got the layout perfect but its just slow in comparison to other twisting types and gets boring fast.

    Iron Dragon….this to me is a “beginners coaster”. This is the perfect coaster for the person who is graduated from kiddie coasters but not quite ready for the “screaming” coasters. Its smooth and sways awesome but never really picks up much speed. A relaxing coaster for sure and the steam and lake (part of theming) really make it enjoyable.

    Wicked Twister. I have read that several of you compare the “superman” ride to MF when I personally think it closest resembles this type of ride (or at least the Superman Ride at the SF that was here did. If I were to compare the two……Wicked easily beat it but then again,…I was introduced to it several years after Superman so they already had a blueprint to improve on (basically) and should be better IMO. Anyhow,…I guess this is the type of coaster you either hate or love and I guess I love it. Its quick and thrilling.

    Power Tower. Well it has choices. Quite interesting. Not sure if its the first of its kind and I doubt it is. In any case, they did make a very nice (and scenic) ride out of very little room. Its the soon-to-be replacement of the demon drop because the blue side seems like an improved version of the demon drop that just holds more people at one time and has more safety features. In any case I hear Demon Drop may be gone in the near future…I dunno.

    MaxAir…..this is what my gf calls “a puke ride”. I love it. The airtime is fantastic and it doesnt give me the spins but I guess it did for her. Whatever.

    Theming…..I dont think Cedar Point has invested nearly enough financial resources to this aspect. They have some theming here and there but they have taken out tons of it over the years to put in ….you guessed it….more coasters.

    Food……Well since I think CP’s food is absolutely horrid and like all parks, overpriced,…..I really give them a bad mark. They dont have any signature foods that I can recall. Its basic food and they even find a way to make that taste awful.

    Park Cleanliness….I will say this….I have found CP to be a very very clean park. I have actually taken mental notes my last tour through (this year actually) to see how many minimum wage teenage kids were part of cleanup. I have to admit….management does a great job of having plenty of kids cleaning up the park.

    Safety. Dunno. Never seen anything that needed security minus a guy refusing to take off his hat (in which security only asked him to leave the ride, not the park)

    Now on to the water rides…..

    Yes as was mentioned CP did eliminate one of their water rides. It was an ok ride but I believe they did that in part because they are trying to phase out the water aspect of the park from the general admission to force those who want it to pay the extra cost for “Soak City” which has a ton of water rides. Its very kiniving I agree but its business I guess.

40. alex/mom Says:
    August 11th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    I just got back from mm yesterday and loved it. X2 was crazy. X2 is the best ride at mm (maybe cp to I’ve never been there.)tatsu and goliath are tied for second on my favorite rides list.If you go to mm you’ll have a blast.

41. Robert Cashour Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Wow, I had no idea this thread was still going. I Googled my name and this thread came up. I’m not sure why it’s necessary to keep insulting people from PA and OH. My Mom’s side of the family came from PA and there are no stupid people out of the family.

    Those of us who live in border states of PA like myself in a suburb of Baltimore are truly spoiled. Within less than a days drive we can be to any park in PA, and there are some very good parks such as Hersheypark (hour-1/2), Kennywood (3 hrs), Knoebels (2-1/2 hrs), and Dorney Park (2-2/12 hrs).

    Listen, I do want to visit SFMM someday and maybe I will next year. Every enthusiast I know raves about Tatsu, and some like X (or X2) almost most say it’s pretty rough if you sit out on an outside seat. Unfortunately, the park still has that reputation that Mark Shapiro is up against.

    There’s a couple of things I need to correct as people bicker back and forth as well:

    1) Comparing Gemini to Collosus doesn’t really make much sense since one is a steel coaster and the other is wood. Only the supports on Gemini are made out of wood. The only thing they share in common is the dueling factor (if Magic Mountain does duel).

    2) Some have tried to compare Superman the Escape to Top Thrill Dragster, but I think it’s apples and oranges when it comes to comparing the rides mode of operation. To me, the only thing they share in common is their manufacturer.

    3) Why is Mean Streak still standing? Good question that we’ve been asking for years, but I think the cost factor would be enormous to remove it. Cedar Fair at least got smart and removed another bad woodie–Hercules–from Dorney Park in PA in ‘04.

    4) Some of you have mentioned rides you rode at Geauga Lake, or Six Flags Worlds of Adventure, or Six Flags Ohio (in backwards naming order). Well, to keep you up to date, all the rides from Geauga Lake have been removed and/or relocated, or in some cases demolished (The Villain). Batman Knight Flight/Dominator went to King’s Dominion in Virginia near Richmond. Superman Ultimate Escape/Steel Venom went to Dorney Park in Allentown, PA and is now called Voodoo. Serial Thriller/Thunderhawk went to Michigan’s Adventure in Muskegon. X-Flight was relocated to King’s Island near Cincinnati and is now called Firehawk. Lastly, Mind Eraser/Head Spin has been relocated to Carowinds on the NC/SC border and will be erected this year in the place of Flying Super Saturator. There’s no name yet.

    5) I do agree that removing a log flume is bad, but water rides are becoming targets for removal. Good old Mr. Shapiro ripped out one of the log flumes at Great Adventure last year, and ripped out Watertown Movie Water Effect (a shoot-the-chutes) to install a badly themed wild mouse in a box this year. Thankfully, one log flume remains. Hershey has already started demolition work on what was an extremely popular rapids ride to put in a wavepool and a lazy river.

    6) Believe it or not, Cedar Point has more name recognition than Magic Mountain. Sure, Magic Mountain might get more celebrity pictures of people riding their coasters in People Magazine, but among the general populous, if you mention you’re going to any amusement park people always want to talk about Cedar Point as if you’ve never heard of the place:)

    7) Power Tower is not the tallest S&S Tower installation. That title goes to Superman Tower of Power at Six Flags Over Texas, BUT, it is the most towers installed at one time–two Space Shots, and two Turbo Drops. Also, many people do count drop towers as flat rides.

    8) Lastly, it could be a “coaster war” again next year–maybe. While Mr. Shapiro leaked plans for a GCII woodie based on the new Terminator movie (who said that nothing good comes out of PA? Great Coasters International Inc.) has one of the best reputations in the business), Cedar Point has yet to announce anything and I have yet to see any rumors–yet.

42. yoyobon Says:
    May 11th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Magic Mountain,duh. Cedar point sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

43. Sera Says:
    May 16th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    CEDAR POINT ALL THE WAY! Cedar Point does not only have some of the best coasters in the world, but also awesome water rides, spinning rides, and other type of thrill rides such as the Demon Drop, Power Tower, and Witches Wheel. Even if you’re not into coasters, Cedar Point always has something else going on. Whether if its a parade, show, or fireworks. Don’t get me wrong, Magic Mountain is fantastic! But can you really compare that to some of Cedar Points rides?! (the last part was just my opinion!!)

44. rollercoastergirl Says:
    May 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    ok, i know my opinion probably doesnt count since well, ive never been to either but i am TOTALLY for CEDAR POINT! its the greatest thing ever invented! me and my cousin are going in 3 weeks(IM SOOOOO EXITED!!!) we go on the website EVERYDAY and watch the POV videos of all the rides and they are definatly pretty beastly to me. we went to the MM site and does it tell anything about the coasters or rides? noo! ive been to several 6 flags parks and iv got to agree w/ those people that said a ton of thier rides are aleays closed down. and have you forgotten that CP has the 2nd tallest and fastest coaster in the world! and yes the coaster capital of the world depends on both quality and quantity. and CP definatly wins in quantity. and it looks like it to me that they’d win in quality too. every single one of my family members have been and agree w/ me that CP is absolutly AMAZING! my 17 year old brother has been to MM and only thought it was OK. when i get back from CP in 3 weeks; ill be back to talk even more about how wonderfull CP is and how great the coasters were! but before i go… CP has built everything they can on thier park; they have no more room but in the article on this page did you read that CP says they are building more coasters? so the only way they could do that would be to build a coaster over the lake, which would be the icing on top of the cake! and that will be 18 coasters and it’ll have to be floorless if it goes over the lake so even though that CEDAR POINT IS ROLLERCOASTER CAOITAL OF THE WORLD w/ a little comp. there will be no comp at ALL if they do that. and i know they will because if they can build some beastly coasters like thay already have then i know they have the potential to be the greatest amusement park in history!

45. Nonya Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    This is STILL HERE? Wow! Terminator is amazing. Much better than expected and a complete surprise as far as its speed.

46. allison Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    cedar point will always be the best amusement parks EVER. millenium>>best ride.

47. MARk Says:
    June 17th, 2009 at 3:46 am

    MAGNUM XL 200 IS the beast! IT HAS SERIOUS ejector AIR

48. Bryan Says:
    June 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Excuse me Nonya, but this is a coaster argument. And I take high offense to the fact that we are all just trying to have a debate, then you come in and start making rude remarks about where we live (rolls eyes)? I do live in Ohio, about 15 minutes away from KI and I do not see any hillbillys walking around. Or 9 year- olds smoking. And to say that no “coaster geeks” have lives. Well a simple look at this discussion reveals that you have the most posts on here. But I thought you said you had a life? I also think it’s sad that you only care about inversions. In my book, height, speed, and airtime all crush the thrill factor of inversions. Most of your arguments aren’t even about roller coasters, they’re about the difference of the east to the west. Because that is totally relevant on the discussion of the roller coaster capital of the world. And while you’re not talking about how people in Ohio are “low lifes” you’re talking about the attractiveness in women. Where in the world did this come from. Nonya, I would really like for you to go out and learn about two things: roller coasters, and life in the Midwest. As has been said before in this post, the Midwestern people are more disciplined, while people in CA party much more and don’t care about much more. And don’t even try to say that I’m one of those CP fanboys, which I’m not, I’m a KI one, who always makes rude remarks about westerners, because my words were not even a fraction of how rude the thoughtless words you spat at us were.

49. hdfyvjkgbdfji Says:
    July 7th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    bryan u said it right im from ohio and been 2 cedar point their r no redneck hillbillys and height and speed is way better than inversions millineum force and ttd blow anything they have away and weve got some pretty insane inversion roller coasters 2 to compete with that crap they have over their

50. melissa Says:
    July 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    i have been to cedar point many times and there is no other park that compares with it and it is one of the cleanest parks i have ever been. all the people who work their are friendly and very helpful to.the millneum force is one of the best coasters i have ever rode.it never gets old

51. Nonya Says:
    August 5th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Very funny Bryan. And no I don’t come on here during my spare time. Only while working at the computer which I hate. The chem lab is much more interesting. We all hate the desk stuff at my work.

    Well then, apparently you have a problem with me making fun of the rednecks in the midwest. You and your friends do the same thing. How many times have you called the people out in Cali ghetto or gangster? You do the same thing. Or your little fan boys who’ve never been west past the Mississippi do. So you are allowed to trash theme park patrons and I’m not? I’m sorry, the midwest ARE rednecks. I grew up in Vegas, lived in Anaheim, Denver, Salt Lake, Erie, Cleveland, New York, Atlanta to name a few. My time in Ohio and Pennsylvania, they were rednecks. Sorry, that’s my opinion of those areas.

    When you’re as well traveled as me, you will not be impressed with Cedar Point that much. At least SFMM had a few rides to set them apart. Most of Cedar Points coasters, I’ve ridden better versions of them elsewhere. And you all know SFMM coasters are better, otherwise you wouldn’t bother to start changing the subject to customer service and “park experience”. So basically anyone that does this is, for the most part conceding defeat on coaster quality. If you weren’t you wouldn’t bring it up. Why would you feel you need to if you think your coasters are better?

    I will list why I wasn’t impressed with Cedar Points coasters and compare.

    Layouts were too different to compare in my opinion, but Millennium Force Vs Goliath, Neither. Superman Ride of Steel destroys both.

    Raptor vs Batman. Neither. Alpengeist wins.

    Mantis vs Riddler. Riddler.

    Top Thrill Disaster vs Superman vs Kingda Krap. Neither Storm Runner.

    Wicked Twister vs Vu. Vu

    Blue Streak and I guess Terminator goes against this one now. Terminator.

    Mine ride vs Gold rusher. Rusher due to terrain.

    Ninja vs Iron Dragon. Neither, Big Bad Wolf.

    Corkscrew vs Revolution. Who cares, they hold a place in history, but aren’t rides anyone would bother with if there’s a line.

    Magnum vs Viper. Viper.

    Jr Jemini and woodstock vs canyon blaster and Percy. Who cares?

    Wildcat, diaster transport, and mean streak I won’t list, just dump them. The Bat at Lagoon in Utah or a Tony Hawk ride is better than wildcat, transport was boredom, and Mean Streak is just BAD. I’ll take Beast or Ghostrider over Mean Streak.

    Gemini vs Colossus. Gemini. Unless it’s Freight Fest.

    That leaves Maverick. Havn’t ridden.

    Leaves Scream, Medusa From SF Discover Kingdom or Superman Krypton coaster from The San Antonio Six Flags are better.

    X2 is just amazing. Nothing to compare.

    And to finish the list Tatsu. The best flyer ever built and will remain the best flyer ever built forever, no park will ever beat it as Tatsu has a HUGE terrain advantage of being on a mountain. It would cost way more than a park would care to spend to build a better flyer. Unless and earthquake comes and the ride gets neutered.

    Fact is my day at Cedar Point a few years ago I was halfway into the day and had been on 8 coasters and at a park that “Claimed” to be the roller coaster capital and still hadn’t been turned upside down yet? I was scratching my head while saying what the hell? where are the inversions? And so far today, I’ve been on many coasters that people rave about and I’ve ridden better versions of these coasters elsewhere? I was thinking this place is overrated.

    But hey, that’s my opinion. Oh by the way, just heard, Jeff Gordon will be at Cedar Point. Right but they aren’t Rednecks in the Midwest. Ok, Keep telling yourself that as Nascar is “Such” a “sophisticated” sport (insert sarcasm). The park is not helping your case.lol.

52. Eric Says:
    August 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    This park is the best…
    NO! This park is the best…

    This Ride is better…
    NO! This Ride is better…

    My GOD…SHUT UP ALREADY!

    Go to a park. Ride the freakin’ Rides. Have some freakin’ Fun. Then Go home.

    When you feel like it, GO to another park, ride some rides, and have some fun. …then do it again.
    When a new ride opens…Go Ride it. If you don’t like it, don’t ride it again. Go Ride your favorite rides until something you like opens. Then go ride THAT one. THAT is what loving Roller Coasters and Theme Parks, and RESORTS is all about.

    All this fighting about who is better and the BEST and has the most…WHO FREAKIN’ CARES????

    It’s Threads like this that make me ashamed to be a part of the Coaster Community.

53. Bryan Says:
    September 9th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Okay Nonya sorry guys but I do agree with you. Magic Mountain does have better rides. But I definitely have a problem with you calling Ohio rednecks. And yes I have been farther west than the Mississippi. I’ve been to several states out west actually, including Alaska.

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